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>> live from pier three in san francisco. welcome to bloomberg "west." i am jon erlichman and four emily chang. a lot of great stuff coming up this hour. horowitzwitz -- ben will sit down with cory johnson to talk about the trends he is watching that could influence the world of startup. we are moving away from the
military discussion around rounds and moving towards what the consumer and commercial prospects are. a lot of discussion this week at facebook attention week interested in buying into this area. first, i want to get to this lead, which is microsoft. so many different moving parts of the company. the incoming ceo starting to make changes to management. the out going ceo speaking at oxford union about many things, including describing microsoft as a two trick pony. also suggesting it was a bad move to move into hardware late in the game to go along with the software business. bloomberg news also reporting behind the scenes happenings at microsoft the past few months, including that steve ballmer struggle to get the board approval on the $7 billion plus purchase of the handset
business. on the development, i want to bring in matt mcewan. seattle-based venture capital firm. you are right there alongside microsoft. quite know the new ceo well. starting with what bloomberg news is reporting. amazing details over the past few months. they beat us having the easiest time getting the board to sign off initially on the nokia deal. what do you think about that? >> $7 billion is a big deal. additionale, the question of is microsoft needing to own handsets in order to win in the mobile business? no doubt they have to have a winning strategy and mobile, but i think it is a legitimate question. >> going back to what steve did talkas said, he about tech companies in terms of the tricks. microsoft had a couple of
tricks, but apple also had a couple of tricks. listen to it steve ballmer had to say. >> a lot of those misses are forced to do a second trick or you die. if you do not do your second trick, then you should do every trick, but really, the history in businesses, most people do one trick and run with it as long as it works and then fade out. we were fortunate. how do you take microprocessors and push them in and do the back end automation of businesses. i think steve is understating the number of tricks microsoft had. i think the tricky is referring to is the second one is the third one, the ability to win in the enterprise. a $20ave now hoped
billion server and tools business over the past 15 years over his watch. for a world of tricks. you have to keep knowing. where are we going with the future from the shift to pc to mobile? >> clearly he wanted to make any the right thing to be doing. suggestion about the for any incoming ceo along the process. >> i think it is hard for technologies companies to be successful if they are not ambitious. the one thing that i talked to everyone about was how ambitious they were for microsoft. ambitious. >> i love it. this is where i think he is the right choice.
very customer centric. what are some of the ambitious move he could take? probably not going to take huge ambitious moves initially but look for things whether or not we see office coming out as a touch-based solution for android devices. or, does microsoft try to push into being the shepherd for the journey to the cloud for big enterprises, including how they run things on amazon web services. microsoftt how many operating services are already on amazon web services being run , and on top of that, if they can help the enterprise, it is an interesting place to be. look at those ambitious place, maybe they do not see as ambitious as piety and $8 billion company, those are areas he should focus on. >> that is something that happened before he got there. going back to repine -- behind
the scenes of what was happening, you got the sense he was not necessarily convinced that that was the right way to go. obviously he is now on board with that. get ceo, how do you something behind something you initially were not sure about? >> i think you have to keep asking the market, where did we get this right, and where do we need to go from here? now that they own the nokia asset, how do they move or word? -- foward? about 20 seconds left. in terms of the management changes we will see under satya nadella, how much more change do you anticipate? >> i think we have seen very logical changes. tony bates was the logical choice. not likely to stay.
i think the interesting question will be, are there people brought in externally to complement the leadership team and when did he make the leadership move? >> managing director of madrona venture group. later today the israeli prime minister is visiting silicon valley and will be sitting home with tori johnson for an interview. be sure to tune into the at 5:00on starting eastern on bloomberg television. >> lots of discussion this week about drones. reported interest in the market. we will ♪ have full details coming up. ♪
>> i am jon erlichman. there has been an list talk about drones and commercial use of drones from the potential amazon using them to deliver stuff to you to the possibility of facebook by yang died dynoerospac we are joined by the president of the vehiclen for unmanned systems. he joins us from washington. thank you for joining us. we have become very familiar with the lich uses for drones, but what about the report that facebook is interested by tightened aerospace. what do they make? >> what they have is an unmanned aircraft system that can fly above 55,000 feet. use itre, what they will for if the deal goes through is allow them to have
communications with many different parts of the world. in this particular case, this technology has been demonstrated back in 2010. the department of defense work bircher --m called walter that was to fly for five --rs at high altar to allow themnd would to have internet in the parts of the world that do not. >> a drone that can provide internet access. we should think of it like a satellite? orbiting satellite that has the ability to maneuver within the band they want to to sell for the conductivity of communication. if you look at africa, those that skipped a generation of cell phones. they never put power lines or hard cable lines in the ground. now they have cell phone
coverage. this is the exact same thing they will do with the internet, skip a generation of the internet and now go through low-flying orbital satellites that are called unmanned aircraft systems or drones. would this compare to what google has been focused on? both of the companies are more interested in more people using internet around the globe. >> what google is doing is they were looking at balloons that would fly at the higher altitudes that would allow them to again use it as a relay that would allow them to have conductivity to provide internet service to places right now that are denied that because there is no infrastructure that would allow that to happen. i think the titan aerospace is a better model because it has the ability to maneuver whereas the balloons are flying along in
space. >> where do governments come into this story tom especially if facebook will be using the drones in parts of africa? where does the government have a , the airspacea that we exist in, only regulates up to 60,000 feet. these systems would fly above that in the suborbital phase so there would not be regulation. the only thing they have to contend with is getting up to that altitude. stuff.resting michael fasano, president of the unmanned vehicle association. joining us to talk about the commercial side of the drones story. also a consumer side. one new one called the phantom to vision is becoming quite popular with tech enthusiast. we checked about to find out
what people are getting excited about. >> there is always someone catching waves. now they are using these to capture the footage. this is the future of what sports videos will look like. drones high above the surf or anywhere outdoors. appears to be the drone of choice among tech enthusiasts. vision isntom to ready to fly. everything in the box, take it out, but the batteries in and off you go. >> take xers by attaching your smartphone to the remote control . it can also fly autopilots using gps. the people using the devices? >> all kinds of keep all.
hobbyist, professional photographers, result -- real estate. -- all kinds of people. recently flying as device on and i went and went out over the atlantic ocean and never came back. it is still you legal for commercial use. >> do you ever think about these devices being more in the air and hard not to think about the risks with that? >> we work very closely with the faa to make sure the devices are very safe. >> he will not say how many drones they sell but did reject revenue of 130 $1 million. two years ago, they had 200 employees. now it has been seen hundred. -- now it has 1500. >> just like that. >> when we come back, we will talk eli and must -- elon musk.
spy launch program the government has. right now it is dominated by united launch alliance. sitting said he was next to the senate appropriations subcommittee chairman on defense. xhere he said using space would save the federal government $1 billion for taxpayers every year, and did that while sitting next to his competitor and set the current state of the market is unsustainable. >> the air force and other agencies are paying too high of a price per launch. space launch innovations stagnated, competition stifled, and prices have risen to levels that general shelton has called unsustainable. >> at issue is the air force eel v program.
that a $70 billion program is the federal government answer for reducing the cost of military satellite launches. right now dominated by united pacexh alliance the coast s does not have the approval to do so. meaning that ula for years has held the monopoly. it is a joint venture between lockheed martin and boeing. said he does not think breaking up the monopoly in the name of competition will really have that big of a payoff. >> i believe there are in foreign questions about how competitions will be structured to ensure they are fair and open and the competition will the savingse promised. ultimately the question is
whether the savings will be sufficient to offset the cost of duplicating existing capabilities. luckily a sentiment not shared by the pentagon. they will later this year open up 14 new missions to take a stab at entering the market. lawmakers today seem to add -- echo the sentiment as well. ask any talk about russia today? thatw he told rachel crane it is embarrassing the u.s. has to thumb rides to russia. k was sureg mus to point out, united launch alliance, their rocket used in engine that is manufactured in russia. seizing everything happening right now and on the proposed economic sanctions and all of that. he made the point that to him it is crazy the united states would consider awarding hundreds of
millions in contracts to united launch alliance, not opening up for competition when he is able to say everything they produce .s made in the usa one point that he did capitalize on today. spacex couldbefore join the military satellite program? >> that is still up in the air right now. encouraged after the meeting. he said a good sign that lawmakers seem to be on board and see things from his point of view that we do need more competition and should lower costs in the long run. soon now it looks like as as october 1 and the new fiscal year begins him a week of the best opening up. before that happens, they will need to get certification that it does not yet have. the news last week when the air announced the launch of
would count toward one of the three necessary launches to receive this certification. that was a big move in the right direction. the momentum is something he brought with him today. out, the to point hearing, although it did and a few hours ago, is not quite over just yet because it is a hearing that will keep on giving. dickhing the durban -- durbin said is they wanted both ceos to submit 10 questions they want the other ceo to answer. come insponses will later. it will be added to the record of this morning's testimony. that is something that will be very interesting to look for in the days ahead. >> no kidding. also looking at how this affects
their overall business. talking about the success delivering cargo to the international space station. thank you. as we had to break, quick programming note. emily chang will talk to eric schmidt and google ideas -- ideas erector gary: tonight. jered cohen. the fullo catch conversation tomorrow at 1:00 and 6:00 eastern time. still ahead, then horowitz -- on how writing a book has helped him become a better investor. hour. inutes after the am alix steel. the s&p slipping into positive territory recently. the dow down a little bit. the market taking up for earlier losses.
>> you are watching bloomberg "west." erlichman. getting straight to your bloomberg top headlines. new chiefrching for a information officer. the new executive will replace beth jacob. verizon tops its rivals a network performance according to a new study. six-month review of reliability, speed and data and call quality scoring 90 out of a hundred.
facebook stepping up enforcement of post them sales and other regulated items. facebook says it will delete posts where users declare a willingness to break the law, such as transporting a gun across state lines. if it is a successful company in silicon valley, chances are andreessen horowitz is already an investor. it has invested in pinterest and ben johnson -- cory johnson said down with him and asked him how the writing process made him a better investor. >> people feel like they know me before they meet me, and that is a big advantage.
youthey see you come express yourself and put yourself out there. they say i know this guy. i have read your stop. the first time i met my friend i was like hey, i know you, i have listen to your albums by 400 times. great youe that is know me already. this is helpful in building a relationship. >> that is why it is important to be real. >> at is what is really hard and writing. appreciatehat people itut the blog in the book is is the august side of it. cover up theng to things i did wrong, i am saying this is what happens. what are the strength and
weaknesses? >> i think because getting started is easier. in a lot of ways they are younger, which is a strength and weakness. the strength of being young is you do not have the old paradigm in your head so it is very easy to break it, which is a big deal in technology companies. the disadvantage is here you are . there is a lot of stuff you do not know and wisdom you do not have, and that can lead to doing things that have very dangerous long-term consequences for yourself and the company. i am thinking what specific things are they week at or because they are young? whatbig weakness is
building a company is about and what it means to the people who work there. it is great that you have an idea. but that is not really what it is about. it is about a group of people doing something that is bigger than myself and so forth. if you go out and recruit a bunch of super talented people it cannotrk for you be i tried that, did not work. or the team that could have worked on a very high paying awesome job of facebook or google is not going to want to work with you again and definitely will not say nice things again and you have created that amount of misery. that is not something you should take so lightly. in the old days we did not have that kind of thing the way it does now. >> talk to me about the way you
are organized. a change indit for the way venture capital works. what do you think are the important things that are different about the way your firm is set up? to me, the most fundamental thing is when i was an entrepreneur, very oriented in finding an invention and then thatbling a team around invention and bringing in an experienced ceo to run the company. whether that happens or not, they were good at it. that when we came in the idea was that lets assume we want the founder to run the company, then what kind of firm do you need to build to enable ceo andder to become
very competent ceo and the structure of the firm and the way we talk about things and the kinds of partners we have are all key or towards enabling a founder to become a ceo. impacts had the highest in the sense that you see other venture capital firms going we will give the founder more run. we may not be set up to help them do it, but we understand the value. an --you think this is result in terms of changing the report? to pay for partners is lower. the money is spent on doing other things like what? >> the structure of the firm is designed for that. if you are the founder, there are two things you lacked. i have never been a ceo but want to be a ceo. one is you do not have the ceo skill set. for the skill set, we require
all the partners be founders or ceo. so they actually have some experience to teach you how to do that job. the second thing is then you do not have a network. you do not know all of the best people in the media. you do not know all the best engineers, executives and you do not have access to the big companies you might want to do deals with. the way we structure the firms, we paid a much lower general partner salaries and use the money to build out the networks and help you look like a giant ceo, even though you have never met any of those people before. interviewre from the after this break. ♪
>> i am jon erlichman. this is bloomberg '"west." we turn back to cory johnson interview with ben horowitz, and the author of a new book " the hard thing about hard things." for a lot of reasons we have been able to compete really well, and a lot of it is people know us because we write about what we think about. not the only ones doing it for sure but relatively new thing in venture capital. as opposed to this is what we think about a sect or are or this is what we think about investing. more like this is how we think you should lay someone off. a different kind of the thing. .et them get to know us that, combined with the philosophy of how we can help
makes us very competitive. >> i think it was the first guest on the show. that was last week. i wonder, and we stumbled around and decided social media, the cloud and mobile would be the three things we would focus on. i wonder if you see new things emerging? currency forh sure. .rones and 3-d printing those are all areas that are starting to emerge and have potential to be transformational. new? 3-d printing >> the patents just expired. it was basically lock down completely. this has created a whole new set of companies. enough?he industry big
will there be demand for that kind of stuff? >> i think so. ability to put manufacturing in anyone's hands so anyone can make anything is something that has never been possible before. mean that weocus have seen the extent of the innovation around social media? >> $19 billion. i think there are still things going on there. think it is certainly a different environment than it was in 2005 or 2006.
i would hesitate to say it is over. >> let me ask you about the bay area. whenever i am here in new york i hear about silicon valley and you hear about the new silicon valley of texas. why is silicon valley continuing brightest, best and or is it? >> i think it is. at the five companies worth more than $5 billion in tech and you will find they all come from silicon valley. and then five in new york. it is a network effect. if you are a world-class engineer, where should you go? the overwhelming answer is silicon valley. and then as a result, the best executives are in silicon valley
, the ones who know how to scale companies. is a predominant amount of money. the culture itself is very conducive. all of those things are designed to make it a very strong network effect. it is sort of like hollywood. how hard is it to make a movie. you can make a movie in idaho. grip,etting the best key you will not get someone as good as the guy in hollywood. that is who you are competing with, you start off at a disadvantage. what is the cultural? >> there is just tremendous awareness. technology, everything matters in the landscape. what is going on and programming languages?
what is going on in database technology? what is going on in clouds computing? silicon valley that is like everyday conversation all of the time. you are in the flow. ,, itu are outside of that is not that big of a focus. it puts all the burden on you. it is just in the air. all that is different. .ame way in hollywood everyone knows everyone. it is like a different kind of a thing. horowitzas ben speaking with cory johnson. bloomberg lp, the parent company is an investor in andreessen horowitz. a quick programming note, emily chang will speak with eric
schmidt and google ideas lateror jared cohen today. live stream it at bloomberg.com 7:00 eastern or catch the full conversation this thursday at 1:00 and 6:00 eastern time. coming up, google investment arm aches a big investment. we will tell you why and you can watch a streaming on your tablet phone and at bloomberg.com/ . ♪
the area property and real estate. google just invested $50 million in the business. jake stayed joins us now. eye ist that caught my that it sold upwards of $7 billion in real estate last year. what kind of property are we talking about? >> we have sold everything from a single-family home to a $70 million commercial property and everything in between. what we see is the internet is very good about bringing buyers and sellers together and making things transparent and efficient. isthe business model for you a five percent cut of the transaction? >> we take a commission on the transaction. >> this is a different business in something like zillow. if we were talking travel, i think you guys would use the
comparison of being more like more likewith zillow something like trip advisor. correct. there are companies excellent and the media areas that are complemented by focuses on the commerce side. we are focused on the commerce side aching the transaction happen. >> i recently moved and am a renter but i look at properties to buy. would there ever be of benefit in you guys being involved in the whole process of people looking, trying to discover the properties and then pulling the trigger on something they do you ?o >> a very contra mentally -- complementary relationship. we complement that by allowing the buyers to see everything on the market, the settlers to see the buyers interested and consummating the transaction in
an efficient way. >> $50 million investment on the investment firm. what is the game plan with the investment? >> this is about more than money for us. our goal was to find a strategic turner and we you google as world-class. about theheard interest, did you think are they angling to buy us? what should we think about the relationship the train google and your company going forward? >> this is about a partnership and looking to tap into the expertise of a world-class internet capital and global capital has built out a world-class team for us to leverage. >> i think about things like foreclosed properties, and there are lots of them and it is kind of a gray zone. how much of that inventory do you end up selling? >> we sold wordy thousand properties last year. one thing we focus on is
providing the most amount of information to the potential buyer. the market base includes foreclosed properties and non-distressed properties as well. >> if i were to think of some of the craziest properties purchased, anything come to mind? >> for us, amazing to see a $70 million commercial building purchased on the platform. tople clicking on the mouse buy a very large building in southern california. that was a milestone for us. >> in the past, they would have done what? >> there is the traditional process. the alternative is paper pencil and the fax machine. we make it efficient for everyone. the buyer, the seller, the broker and worldwide distribution. >> whenever you see these kinds of investments, he will ask the
question, what is the goal? do they want to go public? is there an ipo in your future? >> we are focused on keeping our heads down and making a great business. allowing anybody to participate in buying and selling real estate and investing real estate like taking the risk out of the transaction. that is what we're focused on. >> safe answer. thank you for joining us. fight is where we focus on a number that means a lot. joining us as ari leiby. , thee number is 250,000 number and dollars that the twins are willing to pay to go to space. they will do it through richard branson. his space out -- outfit. he is sending residents of the world like you and i to go to
space. they are doing it in bitcoin. they would do no other for such a venture. apparently you can pay in bitcoin. if you have $250,000 worth. did see a post about this. it is expensive. columbia andto reference. are they angling to do space rowing? how cool would that be they seem really gung ho about this. >> sure. marco polo, christopher columbus twins. the throwing an space i imagine the something they will talk to richard branson about in the coming months. >> remember, you can get the latest headlines at the top of the hour on bloomberg bloomberg.com radio and all the time at. -- bloomberg radio and
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